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     Chaushu Contributor Username: chaushu Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2001 Rating: N/A |
It's been a year since my last visit to SE Asia, but I've never tipped a bar girl in Thailand or the Philippines. On a few occasions I've given a Thai girl 100B for a taxi home the next day, but that hasn't happened much. I know some guys like to tip the ladies, but when I read the Dexter/Horn book I thought it said not to. Anyway, about 75% of the ladies ask me to bar fine them again the next night so I think if you treat them nice (and they like you) the tip (or lack thereof) doesn't bother them at all. I've had only one lady come out and ask me for a tip. I was shocked since she went with me after the bars had closed (in Bangkok) and set the price at 1,500B for long-time (about 2:30AM to 8:00AM). I smiled and told her "If you're hungry I'll buy you breakfast, but you should be tipping me because I did more than half the work." She laughed and said no thanks to breakfast and left the room asking if I would bar fine her again the next night. I guess you can't blame a girl for trying. | ||
| Bill Silver Contributor Username: asiabill Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2002 Rating: N/A |
Looks like the original writer, a long term resident of Angeles, of this advice may have already posted this on the locked "Sneak Outs" folder but it's such a great message here it is: Here are the techniques of the not so rich and deprived denizens of Angeles. I don't advocate sneak outs but I think its unfair that only locals generally know about this taboo subject, leaving the tourists high and dry. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term sneak out, it means bypassing the barfine in some way shape or form. Disclaimer: I provide this information purely for educational purposes, it is not designed to promote nor in any way encourage sneak outs and is purely information deseminated in order to help stamp out the evil practice. Let's all work together to stamp out sneak outs. Barowners are hard-working, God-fearing family men who work selflessly for the good of the downtrodden. Amen, hallelujah, kumbaya m'lord, etc. 1. THE LADIES DRINK SNEAK OUT. This is the most common sneak out. Guy buys or rents a cellphone. He barhops, buying many girls ladies drinks. In the process, he always gives her his cellphone number and gets hers. Then he exchanges numerous mindless text messages that sound like bad Hallmark cards until he finally INVITES the girl over for swimming or some other sorry excuse for barfineless afternoon sex. Sex and swimming begin with the same letter so its just a typo in the text message, okay? 2. THE I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING SNEAK OUT. This is a variant of #1. Same technique, except when the girl asks in text as she inevitably will "what are you doing now?" instead of telling the truth and saying that he is masturbating with one hand and texting with the other, the local texts back "nothing". Girl then invites herself over. For some deluded yokels, this lets them feel less guilty about the sneak out since the girl suggested it. 3. THE GIRLFRIEND SNEAK OUT. This sneak out requires that the sneaker outer first pay the barfine of the girl once or twice. After that a relationship is built and the yokel can then explain he'd rather pay the "money to the girl" rather than half of it to the bar. In reality, the sneaker outer is saying he'd rather just pay less for a barfine, but the girls aren't so good at math, so they don't get it. Sometimes the yokel tells the girl that she is his girlfriend. Most of them believe it even though they know the yokel's wife and other girlfriends. It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that a man can't have many girlfriends, after all. 4. THE MUSIC BOX SNEAK OUT. This is perhaps the most pathetic of sneak outs, patented by a former yokel who was a master of pathos. This technique requires that the sneaker outer find the girls stay in and then hang out beneath the window of the stay in, calling up to the girls and trying to entice one of them to sleep in his flea ridden bed instead of on bamboo slats. A tip is rarely involved, since the sneaker outer is providing a service. 5. THE MARRIAGE SNEAK OUT. This technique was perfected by a well-known AC2 board member. The sneaker outer simply finds a girl and offers to marry her. It's highly effective, since the girl can hardly say no to the sneak out, but it has the downside of tying the sneaker outer down, likely in perpetuity. 6. THE CELLPHONE SNEAK OUT. Every girl wants a cellphone. This technique exploits that desire. The sneaker outer offers to buy the girl a cellphone, then uses the cellphone to arrange sneak outs with the girl. Since the girl is dying of gratitude for her new cellphone, it's highly effective. You do need to take into account that the cellphone sets you back 7-8 barfines, so you need to get 7-8 sneakouts to break even, but after that, everything is gravy, as they say. 7. THE WHERE YOU GOING SNEAK OUT. This is another common sneakout, perhaps the second most popular. The would be sneaker outer buys ladies drinks or chats up the girls around town. The girls can't help but ask what the guy is doing later. It's a rule in the Philippines. When the girl asks the magic question, the guy says "I'll be at Margarita at 3 am. Understand? I'll be at Margarita 3 am tonight. Big hand on the 12. Little hand on the 3. Understand? Tonight. understand?" After 4-5 repetitions, the girl usually comes up with the idea that the guy is going to be at Margarita at 3 am and decides to meet the guy there. 8. THE HOTEL KEY/APARTMENT SNEAK OUT. The would be sneaker outer simply let's girls know where he lives or stays. This can be done through things as advanced as business cards or as simple as carrying around a hotel key and "accidentally" dropping it in front of girls. Surprise surprise, girls start magically appearing at the sneaker outers door more promptly than a Dominoe's Pizza and with the same free delivery charge (aka, no barfine). 9. THE HUMANITARIAN SNEAK OUT. This is a devious little sneak out, since it masquerades as a mission of mercy. The sneaker outer chats up the girls and eventually finds one that needs to go to the doctor or the dentist or needs a ride to SM Mega Mall to buy a Winnie the Pooh cellphone cover or something. If the bar owner or papasan finds out about it, there's plausible deniability built in since this is a mercy mission not a barfine. However, on the way back from the doctor or wherever, the sneaker outer simply "drops by" his house and happens to "need something" in the bedroom and "wants to show the girl his new Backstreet Boys CD". The rest is history. 10. Last but not least, the BAROWNER SNEAK OUT. Barowner asks little miss bad girl to report to his office because she was dancing listlessly or used too much toilet paper in the bar CR or chewed gum on a tuesday or some such flimsy excuse for a rule violation. Barowner procedes to disclipine bad girl with his genitalia. No barfine is paid and the girl says nothing because her mind is stuck in an endless loop: she just fucked the barowner so she needs to report that to the barowner but she just fucked the barowner so she needs to report that to the barowner but she just fucked the barowner... you get the picture. There are more but my fingers are cramping. Remember, DO NOT DO THIS. DO NOT BUY A CELLPHONE AND SNEAK GIRLS OUT LIKE ALL THE LOCALS DO. It is wrong and I don't condone it. | ||
| Bill Silver Contributor Username: asiabill Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2002 Rating: N/A |
And my response to the posted message above: BRAVO! GREAT POST! My friends and I are GUILTY of this "sneak out" methods ever since we arrived in the Philippines in 1980. It's the natural thing to do of course and we NEVER felt guilty doing it. I mean when a beer costs P11 and bars sell it for P30 to P50 with more profit on draft beer, and a rum & coke costs maybe P4 to P6 and it's sold P35 to P50 also isn't that enough profit to be able to afford to hire a few dancers at P120 to P200 / day? I have usually chosen to give the Filipina bargirls cash instead of buying them a silly, overpriced "ladies drink" so they KNOW I'm another "duck" tourist with too little time and too much money. It seems to me NOW for the last five or more years the bar owners are more successful at brainwashing their dancers about "loyalty" with threats of blacklisting them from employment with other bars should they participate in "sneak out" behavior etc. etc. One reason the bar owners and managers are getting away with this PIMPLIKE behavior is there are partnerships who "own" (lease ) up a half dozen bars. And another reason is the Filipino national hobby of GOSSIP and snitching ( often by "accident" ). As for me I follow the VFM ( value for money ) attitude, VERY seldom paying retail for ANYTHING . I STRONGLY believe that tourists following spending habits in undeveloped countries as if they're at home comparing prices to their own INFLATED COST OF LIVING does surely RUIN a travel destination. For example now, the Asian men from Korea, Taiwan, and Japan who think U$50 is cheap and a reasonable price to pay for a young girl working in a bar has helped raise the cost of getting laid in Manila. And the SAME thing could happen in AC; what if tourists who pay U$5 for a beer at home think P100 for a cold San MIguel beer is CHEAP ??? Everything's price will begin to go UP and UP!!! | ||
| Asia Guide (Asia) Silver Contributor Username: Asia Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2003 Rating: |
A bar fine is a fee you pay to a bar to take a bar girl back with you to your hotel (to screw, of course). The bar fine in most bars will run you about $20 (1,000+ pesos). You pay in advance, to either the mamasan (i.e., bar manager), the girl herself or waitress. I suggest you pay the mamasan so there is no confusion as to what will transpire when you go back to your hotel. Sometimes you may get either a "cherry girl" (i.e. a virgin who won't let you screw her) or a girl who's on the rag (in which case she won't let you screw her). You also may get a girl who will let you have sex, but then pulls a short time (i.e, goes home or back to the bar right after you cum). With the mamasan present, most of whom speak English quite well, you can confirm the girl is not cherry, is not on the rag, and will sleep all night, leaving your place around noon, rather than 6 a.m. or someother ungodly hour of the morning. (Make sure the girl does not have to go to hygiene the next morning or she will take off by 8 a.m.) Understand when you pay the bar fine, you are not legally paying for sex. The bar fine is only a fee so you can take the girl out of the bar to leave with you. Few bars (except on "blow road") guarantee these days the girl will let you screw her. If you get a girl that won't let you touch her, most bars will not give you your money back, at least not without you raising hell. Therefore, be sure to pick your girl carefully and make sure she agrees to do everything your heart desires, before paying the bar fine. |
