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GERMANY's FKK CLUBS AND SANUA CLUBS: A GENERAL FAQ

OVERVIEW: WHY GERMANY?

We recommend Germany's FKK Clubs and Sauna clubs for three reasons:

  1. Price and Atmosphere
  2. Quality of Service
  3. Selection


Price. This is still reasonable, even at today's unfavorable exchange rates, because of the high quality of service. Entry fees range from 30 to 70 EUR ($36-$84 US). This allows use of all facilities (showers, towels, saunas, swimming pools, fitness equipment) and unlimited trips to the non-alcohol bar and buffet table, if offered. Many clubs have special parties and events to attract customers, and you're welcome to stay as long as you like. Cost per session averages 50 EUR ($60 US) across the clubs.

Quality of Service. You've probably seen terms such as "GFE" or "No Taboos" used to describe the service at FKK Clubs or Sauna Clubs. (See next section for definitions of these and other terms.) At the better ones, activities such as BBBJ, French kissing, and mutual touching, both in the lounge and in a private room, are standard and not charged extra. These clubs have such standards to ensure consistent service. Remember, the majority of customers are locals who visit often, so the clubs must keep them coming back.

Selection. Most clubs employ women from all over the world. You're not limited to Asians, as you would be in Thailand, or Latinas, as you would be in Mexico or Brazil. Whatever your physical preference (blonde, brunette, redhead, dark-skinned, light-skinned, tall, petite, slender, voluptuous, enhanced, natural, Playboy bunny, or girl-next-door), you'll find it in the FKK clubs.

WHAT DO THESE TERMS MEAN?

FKK. "Freikörperkultur" ("Free Body Culture" in English). The term actually refers to nudist colonies, but FKK and Sauna clubs adopted it as both the women and customers inside are nude (or wear towels at most).

Sauna. The club has sauna facilities: dry, damp, or both. Some clubs will use "FKK Sauna Club" and others just "Sauna Club" in their official names. But, the term "sauna" doesn't always refer to sex. It can refer to a standard spa offering non-sexual massages. Look for the signs, such as business hours. If the establishment closes at 5 or 6 PM, it's a standard spa. Sex-related establishments close at 10 PM or later.

GFE. Stands for "Girl Friend Experience." This describes the high level of service commonly available at FKK clubs. A GFE is less like a paid session and more like that provided by a lover or a girlfriend.

No Taboo. ("Tabulos" in German). Both FKK clubs and Sauna clubs use this term to describe their service. It means just what is says. Almost anything goes here, depending on the lady.

IS THIS LEGAL?
Yes, but it depends on the local governments. Some allow FKK clubs or Sauna clubs, while others allow only swingers' clubs, or "Partytreffs." The clubs use the terms "FKK" or "Sauna Club" to create a public image that doesn't overtly suggest prostitution. Note that both the women and guests pay a fee to enter the club. The women pay to work for the day, while the guests pay to use the facilities. The club provides the party rooms, and what happens in them is between consenting adults. So, there is nothing illegal about your visit to an FKK Club or Sauna Club, even though authorities have occasionally raided certain clubs. This is to remove undocumented workers or prosecute other public violations (tax evasion, etc.). The most notable club to have been raided recently is FKK-Atlantis (more here.)

More about legal issues here.

WHAT ARE SOME RECOMMENDED FKK CLUBS OR SAUNA CLUBS?

Planet Happy Garden (Oedt, near Düsseldorf). Bar atmosphere. Ladies wear bikinis or lingerie, guests wear robes. Great selection of ladies, generally from Eastern Europe. Good pricing: 25 EUR ($30 US) per 30-minute session, plus 25 EUR (one-time charge) for BBBJ. Relaxed pace, no pressure.

Bernd's Saunaclub (Lichtenberg, near Köln). Smaller club (8 to 15 women). True definition of FKK. There's a lack of inhibitions here, and the service is always excellent. Food available all day.

FKK-Oase (near Frankfurt), FKK World (Gießen, near Frankfurt). Two of the larger clubs in the Frankfurt area. Daily brunch and dinner buffets. Good, varied selection of ladies. Downside: can get crowded, service can be iffy, some guests tend to be rude.

Sudbad (Köln). Has an "old-style brothel" look, with a bar and whirlpool upstairs. Ladies mixed in quality, but most are friendly. Couch-style beds available for public action. Prices standard for the area: 50 EUR ($60) entry, 50 EUR per session.

FKK-Club-Babylon (Elsdorf, near Köln) and FKK-Sauna-Club Wiago (Leverkusen, near Köln). Sister clubs that offer some of the best service in the north. Strict rules for the lady's conduct: high heels, no towels, greet customers at the door, spend time with customers after sessions. Some ladies complain, but these rules help make Babylon/Wiago standout clubs. Daily evening buffet.

To learn more about these and other FKK Clubs or Sauna Clubs, go here.

WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IN AN FKK OR SAUNA CLUB?

In a nutshell: A good full-service lady will provide French kissing and a BBBJ in the lounge. She probably won't ask to go to the room until you say so. Couch time may last 10-20 minutes, depending on the lady. Your billable time does not start until you both enter the room. Inside, almost anything goes. The activities are limited by only her and your boundaries.

NOTE: Be careful here. There's a line between being friendly and leading the lady on. If you don't plan on going to the room with the lady you're sitting with, then don't start any activites that might lead her to believe otherwise. Light touching and kissing is usually fine. If you start groping, touching erogenous zones, or engaging in heavy kissing, then you've basically committed yourself to going to the room. It's considered exceptionally bad form to break things off at this point, as well as to spend more than a few minutes talking with her. Don't lead her on or waste her time. If word gets out amongst the other ladies that you like to take liberties or waste their time, then you will be branded as a troublemaker and avoided. And, the long-term result could be that fewer ladies will be willing to spend couch time with customers and will want to go directly to the room instead. Your behavior can impact the experience for everyone else, so keep that in mind.

After your session, she'll give you a hug and a kiss, walk you back to the lounge, and ask if you want a drink. Take a seat, accept your drink, relax, shower, and repeat as many times as your energy level and finances allow. Of course, you'll need to pay for the session. See the next section for payment details.

HOW DO I PAY?
Depends on the club. There are two types: Pay when you leave and Pay as you go.

Pay when you leave clubs: Babylon, Bernd's, Dolce Vita, Sudbad, and Wiago.

You pay both entry and session fees at the bar when you leave. After each session, give the lady your locker key number so she can report it to the receptionist, who totals your bill.

Pay as you go clubs: Oase, Palace, FKK World, Planet Happy Garden.

You pay your entry fee to the receptionist when you first enter. You pay the lady directly after each session. If a club has separate lockers (one for clothes and one for wallets) then you know you're at a Pay as you go club. The wallet locker is in usually the lounge or bar area so you have easy access. Sometimes, you have only one locker for your clothes and money, and you'll walk the lady to the locker room and pay her there.

NOTE: There are other clubs, such as Cocoon, where you pay your entry fee when you arrive and your session fees when you leave.

Extras. Anal sex and mouth finishes are extras. Expect to pay an extra 25 to 50 Euros ($30-$60 US) for them. Some women offer these services, some don't. Ask the bartender or the woman herself. Some women may not charge extra for mouth finishes, but that's rare. Never force anything on them that they don't want to do!

TIP: Don't pay in US dollars, as you'll lose in the exhange.

HOW MUCH TIME DO I GET IN THE ROOM?
It depends on the club. At Babylon or Bernd's, you're not always timed, but the general rule is 30 minutes per room visit. Sometimes, you can go overtime and not be charged extra. If the lady likes you and has a good time with you, she may not be strict with time.

At Oase, Dolce Vita, and Happy Garden, time is usually a factor (20 to 30 minutes, usually strictly timed). It can start from the moment you sit on the couch with her. See the next section for details.

WHAT SHOULD I WATCH OUT FOR?

Being overcharged. It's rare, but it can happen at certain clubs where you pay the lady directly after each session. It does not happen at clubs where you pay the receptionist when you leave.

How to avoid? First, know the prices. Ask the receptionist or other customers if you're not sure. Never ask the lady how much you owe. You're setting yourself up to be ripped off. Some guys don't mind, as it's still inexpensive as compared to the US, but you encourage the ladies to take advantage of other customers. That can damage the pricing vs. service structure, and is why you often hear that Germans don't like non-locals. Don't contribute to that sentiment. Remember that we, as outsiders, are not the focus of the clubs.

Second, remember that time spent on the couch should not count towards your bill. If the lady tries to charge for kissing or talking, threaten to go to the receptionist. Don't give her any more than the session fee and then figure you'll talk to management later. Most of the good clubs want your business and if you complain you will always win. The ladies want you to think otherwise. Customers make this business work, and without them the clubs would close.

But, be fair. Time is money for her. Don't talk with her for more than 5 minutes and then decline to party with her. If you call her over and then waste her time talking for an hour, don't be surprised if you're charged extra. In fact, you should pay extra in this case.

Aggressive women. At some clubs (Oase, FKK World), women are allowed to approach you. Some are sincere, but others pick you out and play you. Some won't accept "No" for an answer and try to pressure you. She may even begin touching you, which can lead to a BBBJ. If it goes this far, she could insist that you permitted it and must go to the room to finish. If you're not interested, politely but firmly tell her so. Tell her she may do better with one of the other guests, and then move away.

At clubs where the women are not allowed to approach you (Bernd's, Babylon, Wiago), some will try to make eye contact. If you return her look, she may think you're interested and approach you. Don't look directly into her eyes if you're not interested.

Towels. In an FKK club, the women are supposed to be totally nude. Yet, some wear a towel or a sarong. A towel around the hips can hide scars, stretch marks, or a large behind. A towel around the mid-section can hide tummy stretch marks, sagging breasts or no breasts, or a huge tattoo on the back. Look for this at Dolce Vita, Oase, FKK World, and Palace, especially during Lingerie Nights (Dessous Partys), which German customers tend to avoid.

Lingerie Days at select clubs:


Language barrier. Don't expect everyone to speak English. Some ladies do speak a little. Most don't or won't, because they're afraid of making mistakes. Find a German/English dictionary or a German lauguage book and learn a few words. It's not difficult. Or, see our conversational tips here.

Grudges. Sometimes, a lady you've been with before expects you to go with her the next time you visit her club. She may think you've returned just to see her, and get upset if you go with someone else. Again, this is rare, but it happens.

If you see her again, acknowledge her so she doesn't think you're ignoring her. (This may be what bothers her the most). If she asks why you don't want to go with her again, be honest, tell her you want variety. Most ladies understand this. Those who don't are usually trouble. Stay away from them.

HOW DO I SELECT A GOOD LADY?
Give a lady you're interested in this test: Spend a few minutes talking to her. When she asks you to go to a room, politely tell her you may do so later. Then, leave for a few moments and return to her. See how she treats you then. If she's still nice, that's a good sign. If she is angry, then she may not be sincerely nice, and therefore not right for you. See the next section for more tips on selection.

WHAT MAKES FOR A GOOD PARTY?

Chemistry. Use your intuition to help you decide. Don't always go by her appearance. Good looks don't always mean good service. If you get a good feeling about a lady, sit and talk with her for a few minutes. See how she responds. If you can't communicate verbally, go by her body language. If she's receptive, take things further. If she's not, take that as a sign and politely leave.

Skills. Good chemistry is important, but what makes for a good party depends most on the lady's skills. Is she good at what she does? Is she into it? Note the most popular ladies in any club. They are not always the prettiest, youngest, or best-built. Their good skills make the difference.

WHAT ARE THE BEST CLUBS FOR FIRST-TIMERS?



You will usually be treated well at either club and won't have to worry about being ripped off.

TIP: When they ask you at any club if you've been there before, answer "No, not this club, but others." This will get you a thorough explanation of that club and help you avoid being seen as a newbie.

WILL THEY EVEN LET ME IN?
Most likely. Almost all FKK Clubs or Sauna Clubs admit non-Germans. Still, some have been known to ban foreigners, particularly non-whites and Asians. These clubs include:



Bernd's and Happy Garden occasionally turn away customers, but that's based less on nationality and more on demeanor. If you look like you may cause trouble, you may not be let in. The moral: Appear friendly and dress in a manner that doesn't remind people of gang members or hoodlums.

WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO VISIT?
September to May offers the best selection at the clubs. Avoid the summer months (June-August). It's hard to find a hotel room then, especially when a convention is in town. Also, rental car rates are higher and crowds are everywhere, as Europeans typically take the entire summer to travel. As for the clubs, many of the Eastern Bloc ladies decide to visit their families then, so the selection is less. You'll also find a slightly smaller selection during the Christmas holidays, as some ladies travel during that time. Still, the clubs remain open except for Christmas Day, New Year's Eve, and New Year's Day.

If you can, try to visit a club during the shift change (usually 6 PM - 8 PM). That way, you can see both the day and evening shifts and have a larger selection. Also, try to make repeat visits to the same club over a few days. This will give you a better idea of how the club really operates, what the overall level of service is, etc.

CAN I TAKE HER PICTURE?
It depends. Some women permit photos. Others want a tip first. Others won't let you at all. Sometimes, management asks to be present to make sure your photos won't reflect badly on the club. Always ask first, and do so before your session, not after it.

NOTE: Some clubs (like Oase) don't allow guests to bring in cameras. If your camera is small enough to conceal, then you could sneak it into the room and ask the lady after the session and before you leave the the room. But, you're taking a chance that club management could find out about it. If they do, they may throw out both you and your camera.

CAN I MEET HER OUTSIDE THE CLUB?
At the best FKK clubs, the women treat every man like a lover, whether fat, old, ugly, dark, light, or green behind the ears. That's her job, and she's not there to be picked up, no matter how well she treats you or if she gives you her cell number. Club management frowns on outdates and may discipline her for them. if a lady working at ANY club is really interested in you, she'll get your number and call you.

WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC SEX?
A good place to experience public sex or a threesome is Bernd's Saunaclub. Tell the lady you're interested in that you want a threesome, and allow her to choose the other lady herself. Total cost: 100 EUR ($120 US).

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Nothing much has changed in Germany, Quality is still the highest I've experienced in all my travels. Clubs change and so do the women. There has been some useless talk about good clubs and not so good clubs. This brings to mind the theory that it's not the club but rather the women that make a club. Having just come back from a recent trip with several friends who over a period of a week visited over 12 clubs we came to the same conclusion. Guys who found at least one great session at a club felt the club was the best for them. This had little to do with size or reputation but more to do with a single experience. Several months back I visited Blue Note in Dusseldorf and found several high quality women who provided excellent service. During my latest visit I found none of them to be working and not even one woman worth taking to the room. Does this mean the club is not worth a visit? It still offers the same great facilities (although small) but then the whole reason for visiting these clubs is the women. I think selection also has something to do with what guys think. Sure having 50+ women to select from makes much more sense. Vast amounts of women also means less control and quality assurance from managemet. This is a huge problem at Atlantis where hundreds of women cycle through the system on a monthly basis. Word has spread all over Europe and the world about this huge LEGAL club. The club was over run by the US military during my most recent visit. The word among the women is that military guys are NOT favored as customers. First they don't arrive with much funds, second most often they come drunk, third they spend more time talking then going to the room. Since management is spread so thin the women take advantage of time and service. Your most likely to get ripped off at this club using trial and error. "Ripped off" to me means getting anything less then a good 30 minute session that includes kissing, bbbj and multi positions. There's a huge wave of women coming from clubs in Spain who are not familiar with FKK style service. What you end up getting is rushed service, lots of hype and half assed quality. Regulars don't stand for this sort of thing and they usually inform management which results in some change. Most non-locals don't complain as even the worst service in Germany can be considered great in other countries where visitors are from. Due to this management is not well informed and this sort of problem continues. My conclusion is that a great club consists of a good selection of QUALITY women who provide QUALITY service. Many women means only that, many women. Buyer beware.... Atlantis again was not the overall favorite among us during our visit.

I found
QUALITY women at the following clubs:

Paradise
Chantel Exklusive*
Relax
Bernd's*
Babylon*
Cocoon*
Dolce Vita
Atlantis*
Oase*
*multiple quality women found

I did not find quality service at the following:
Wiago
Blue Note
Parksauna
Sudbad
Oase 2 (opened for a few hours then closed again)
Fantasyland

A few of the guys found Sudbad Koln to be their favorite. The reason for this is that they found a woman who provided some of the best sex on their trip. Note that these same guys visited Atlantis and quality over selection appears to be more important. I did not list it as my favorite yet it was a favorite during my previous visit. Im sure had the same girl been present it would be on my list. Again it's the women or woman that makes a clubs worth visiting.

I will post more details as to each club via the thread for that particular club as I go over my notes.

Here is a brief run down on the clubs I visited.

Babylon
On the top of my list again after my recent visit most sessions here will be high in quailty. Women were young, attractive, willing and providing some of the best to notch service around. Many new faces but still a few women from the past.

Paradise Hit and miss describes this place the best. One visit I found several women who were possible attractions and even one who provided fantastic service. My session was a 10 and we did a double cum party back to back. Yet my second visit a week later there was nothing worth doing and the girl I did was average to below.

Wiago This sister club to Babylon now closes on some nights at 1am. Women always seem to be a few steps below Babylon and the service was no different from this. Women appeared to be even younger 18+ but don't plan on any big changes.

Blue Note As stated before this place is a hit and miss, it all really depends on who is working. This trip (day visit 11am -1pm) there was nothing that interested me.

Coccon A pleasant surprise this clubs although small has a fair amount of new talent. A few faces from other clubs like Oase also appeared here. Prices are fair and great service can be expected.

Parksauna Many new renovations to the interior and exterior make this one of the nicest clubs but the newly adopted "Planet Happy Garden" system has taken it's effects. Women totally nude as opposed to those wearing underwear or bathing suits seems to work better for men. Some new faces as well as old.

Chantel Exklusive This new club had a slow start but from what I can tell it's due to the lack of available talent during the day. It's best to visit AFTER 7pm. Chantel the porn star who is depicted on the business cards actually works the bar. She is not an owner as first thought but rather a represenative of the club. Some of the MOST attractive women I found and the best 2 hour session I had on my trip.

Bernd's The original and reference model for FKK Sauna clubs service here is always great as well is the selection. Some new faces as well as the old ones. Many girls from Meindorf are gone for good. (More on this later)

Sudbad Koln Not my favorite place there were a few diamonds in the rough. Eva my favorite was not working when I visited. Several of the guys felt this place was their favorite as the layout and available drinks made it fun.

Oase 2 Several openings were scheduled but in the end on October 4th at 10am when they did open for the first time it was only for and hour or two till it was again closed. 5 times the size of Oase 1 this was a joint venture with the owner of Oase 1. We'll have to see if they can buy their way out of this one.

Relax Never my favorite club for women this club did have some good talent and Laura (spoken about previously by Al Bundy)was present and VERY popular. One of the most relaxing clubs we visited the layout is almost perfect. On rushing and per whirlpool time is included at no extra charge.

Fantasyland Since the fire the owner has done a tastful job at rebuilding and expansion. Rooms were enlarged and opened for a roomier feel. Talent as from previou visits was down. A few faces from Atlantis were present but none that ranked on anyones "to do" list. Great food as usual, friendly management "who is REALLY interested" in your satisfaction but they just did not have the women. If anything this club was lacking if you compare Chantel, Relax, Paradise etc. As suspected I think we have some posters who attempt to promote this place for other reasons rather then QUALITY WOMEN.

Dolce Vita Many of the same faces, our Thai princess has left, Margarita from Italy is still present. This place is what it is, low cost fun. It was never a full service, top tier club but rather a budget brothel that charges by 20 minute intervals.

OaseStill at the top of my list this place was loaded with women, like Atlantis after 9pm the balance shifts from more women to more men. Food is now serverd more often and rather good food. The locker room has been renovated with more lockers and better use of space.

Atlantis Selection is what this place is all about. The eye game is played here more then anywhere else and you can't avoid the heavy sales pitched that go on constantly. Many players who push two girl parties. Groups of Thai women, Latino, Brazilian etc. Plus the usual large breasted silicone blond women who prey on guys in the pit. Sticking to the well known favoites seemed to yield the best results. Trying new stock yield in a 50% return with half being a waste fo money while the other half being worth the money. Take care making a selection here.

All in all the best bets were:
Babylon
Bernd's
Cocoon
Chantel Exlusive (after 7pm)
Oase (before 9pm)
Atlantis (before 9pm)
Relax

As far as this discussion forum goes I think there's some confusion as to what's going on.

This is still a FREE discussion forum and it always has been. There are 2 discussion areas, a FREE section and a FREE MEMBERS section. There is no MONEY needed to enter, read or post to the MEMBERS discussion section. Please understand there is a difference between the discussion forum and the PAYSITE. They are in fact different, FAQ's, BIO's links etc. which appear in the discussion area ARE paysite links, they do have info regarding specific countries but have nothing to do with the FREE or MEMBERS discussion forums.

What has changed is that the MEMBERS forum requires 5 informative CURRENT posts for access. The reason for this is that 90% of readers only read and never post. TO ensure everyone who takes advantage of all the info you are now required to first post info in the FREE section to gain access to the FREE Members section. I think this is a very fair trade considered what you get. If you don't care to contribute any posts and still want access you can join the PAYSITE which gives you access without the need to make ANY posts.

So in simple terms if you want FREE access to the Members section of this discussion forum contribute 5 "informative posts" anywhere on the board. Please undertand it is UP TO 21orover what they decide is informative. Most posters who have written 5 or more acceptable posts already have access. If you don't care to return the favor of exchanging info then there is plenty of new info in the FREE sections as usual.

I find it really useless for people to complain about things when they're FREE to them. I thank 21orover for NOT adding tons of ads and POP up porn to help pay for bandwidth. I know there is a full time staff which is paid to rid us of spammers, pranksters and help organise all the info.

This is all due to the GREAT amount of traffic this site receives on a daily basis. Lots of traffic means lots of bandwidth which means higher costs to keep the site running. I think this solution is fair and if anything helps promote others to share and post. Everyones posts help make this forum great NOT just one or two people as some may want to think.

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Cost of SEX in GERMANY Today and Recent Changes
Due to the unusual weak dollar and strong euro the cost of service in Germany has changed from what it was many years ago as the d-mark. Many of the so-called self proclaimed experts on the web were'nt around back in those days. It's those low exchange rates and quality of service which got me interested in the Sauna club scene or FKK clubs. Back then the airfare from the US was the biggest cost factor. FS was as low as $25US per pop or 30 minutes. One could sample many women for just $100 US, thus finding that gem in the rough was no big deal.

When to Dmark was dropped in favor of the Euro things seemed to go downhill from there. Today the dollar is worth only .68 euro. What this means to the monger who visits the local clubs is that a 65 Euro entry is now $95 US dollars. That's a pretty hefty amount when you consider it still does not include any sex. $100 to just get into a club? What makes things worse is that tourists have allowed the downtown FKK club "The Palace" to up the entry to 75 Euros or $110 US dollars. Lets not forget that once in the club your cost for 30 minutes with a lady is now $73US, that's right 50 Euros converted is $73 US. I never thought it would get worse but it has.

Knowing this I've spent more time visiting clubs in the north where more clubs charge 50 Euro entry and it's only 75 Euros for a full hour of service.
In fact if you do your homework you can find clubs in the north that have 25-35 Euro entry fees. Those same clubs also offer 20 minutes for 30-35 Euros which relates to 35-50 US Dollar entry and $40-$60 service.

It's not just those that pay with US dollars that are complaining about money. Many locals are finding it hard with the inflation that the Euro has brought thus cutting back on going to clubs. In fact as a result one club that just opened in Dusseldorf is offering 80 Euros ($117US Dollars) for all inclusive service. This means the one time fee covers it all, your entry, and all the service you want and as many times as you want.

As many clubs that open each month there are clubs that close. In fact clubs have opened for a few months only to close and reopen under a new name a month later. A good example was club Elite near Frankfurt which opened about a year ago and was basically a flop, then a few months ago the people who own World and Atlantik took it over and re-named it "Atlantis". Nice try however the only thing it has in common with the original Atlantis that used to be located in Altenstadt is the name.
If you did'nt know the original 3 owners of the original Atlantis were put out of business and 2 were jailed. Owners of World quickly attempted a take over which resulted in a short two weeks till the club was once again closed and this time for good. Only the name has survived, the women have long since vanished and some have turned up in other clubs. many went to Oase, some to Palace and the rest spread thinly through out Germany. Some of the X staff went to World or Oase and even as far as Berlin. What were the owners of World thinking when they re-named this small hole in the wall club many miles away "Atlantis"? Not the same clubs, not the same girls?

It's been tough for the people who now own World, Finca Erotica, Atlantik, World 2 (has changed names again) and now Atlantis. While they quickly took over many clubs and even opened a few from the ground up none of them have done all that well.

World from my last visit was largely Romanians and Bulgarians who are mainly in it for the short time. This means lots of lousy service and rip off sessions, nothing that brings a club to the top of the market. This has been a huge problem ever since Romania and Bulgaria have been added to the EU. Germany is being flooded with downstream workers that quickly undercut others. While I've yet to actually experience this myself from many recent visits I've heard from several friends who frequent the clubs that you can bargain with these women 20-30 or evn 50 Euros will get you service now. Thus the long term gals are pushed out that depart the club. This also took place at Atlantik and im sure at other World affiliate clubs.

Women at all the clubs whether the north or south are complaining about a lack of paying customers. Sure you see men but they don't spend as much as sometimes nothing at all. The economics in Europe are felt even by those who don't suffer from a poor exchange rate.

Babylon has come full circle now and states it is once again an authentic FKK Sauna club. What that means is that they've gone thru many changes from the days when all the women were required to be totally nude at all times or pay fines. The woman who used to run the club back in the hay day has even returned to help bring things back while the ownership has totally changed.

On a recent trip I ran into several events where clubs are again implementing (Germans Only) entry.
While this has never been a big deal at the bigger clubs and I highly doubt it will be, there is a reason behind it all. Basically most clubs don't want "Turkish" men in the clubs. They're known for causing many problems which eventually are the downfall of the club itself. The women overall don't want the Turks, the German customers also don't want the Turks. It's said they don't bathe, attempt to cheat the women and are rude. The concepts why Turks are bad for business are many. In the end many clubs have banned them due to many of the problems being true. Thus anyone who's dark skinned can be picked out and denied entry. Even black men who are obviously not Turkish are refused entry. Darker skinned Asian men will have a similar problem with entry unless they are known by the staff or visit with well known friends or a guide. When something like this actually happened while I was at a club I had a long talk with the women working the front desk. It appears that the regular German guests will complain about non-local guests and as a result they won't visit thus management bends and will enforce who can visit. The women also have pull and if they complain about foreign guests the club will also enforce denial of entry to some. It all comes down to making money and guests who visit daily, weekly mean more to the bottom end then those who visit yearly or every couple of months. It's all strange when you consider that some clubs are Turkish owned and those same clubs don't want Turks in the club.

Fuel is also on the rise and can be more costly then what the rental charges are. One liter now costs from 1.30 - 1.50 Euros. Lets not forget that with the poor exchange rate hotel costs have also increased as well as dining expenses.

So how high does the cost of sex have to go for us to stop visiting Germany?

75 Euros = $110 Dollars
65 Euros = $95 Dollars
50 Euros = $73 Dollars
35 Euros = $50 Dollars
25 Euros = $36 Dollars

Don't forget that credit card companies are also charing an additional 1% international fee, ATMs are also charging 1% fees and $5 use fees.

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